Thread Safety ASP NET: This is brilliant! Just look how long it is! Ha ha ha ha ha ha

http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/030812.htm?voteresult=1

poor guy worked his heart out, just to make a page control

and then they published it

ha ha ha ha ha

to "help" others

ha ha ha ha ha ha

just imagine the face of a newbie looking at that mountain of code

apparently he researched how to do it in books

my god i would love to watch this guy tie his shoelaces

it must take hours and involve lots of complex mathematics

ha ha ha ha

maybe the poor guy's hourly rate is so low he has to overcomplicate
everything just to pay the rent

ha ha ha ha

imagine him working through the night
"i'll make the best page control, ever!"

i've got it! he hates newbies ... so he publishes ridiculous
articles to demoralise them and drain their energy

doesn't tell them that a generic page control is just 10 lines
of code that a monkey could write HE'S EVIL

extract from his article:

"Effectively showing code so it confuses newbies is a main objective
in writing almost all my web articles. Showing 20 lines of code in an
article is unbearable but showing 10,000 certainly can be helpful.
Writing good code, is a commonly employed solution, that I do not
recommend."Can you post 10 sample lines of code to do this? Just wondering what it
would look like from your vantage pt.

Thanks!

"John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1125094378.931114.81020@.z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/030812.htm?voteresult=1
> poor guy worked his heart out, just to make a page control
> and then they published it
> ha ha ha ha ha
> to "help" others
> ha ha ha ha ha ha
> just imagine the face of a newbie looking at that mountain of code
> apparently he researched how to do it in books
> my god i would love to watch this guy tie his shoelaces
> it must take hours and involve lots of complex mathematics
> ha ha ha ha
> maybe the poor guy's hourly rate is so low he has to overcomplicate
> everything just to pay the rent
> ha ha ha ha
> imagine him working through the night
> "i'll make the best page control, ever!"
> i've got it! he hates newbies ... so he publishes ridiculous
> articles to demoralise them and drain their energy
> doesn't tell them that a generic page control is just 10 lines
> of code that a monkey could write HE'S EVIL
> extract from his article:
> "Effectively showing code so it confuses newbies is a main objective
> in writing almost all my web articles. Showing 20 lines of code in an
> article is unbearable but showing 10,000 certainly can be helpful.
> Writing good code, is a commonly employed solution, that I do not
> recommend."
If it wasn't a good article it would not have made it onto 15seconds.
Credit to Tomasz for giving something back to the community.

Regards

John Timney
ASP.NET MVP
Microsoft Regional Director

this is exactly ten lines of code (exluding the function declaration
and html stuff)

excuse the classicasp, i had it handy

Function PageControl(PageNumber, PageCount)
Const PropName = "PageNumber"
%><table width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0"
bgcolor="#EEEEEE">

</table><%
End Function

(HTML is convenience function to save typing Server.HTMLEncode etc.)
(QPX is shorthand for Server.URLEncode(name) & "+" &
Server.URLEncode(value) & "&")
(StripQueryString returns the given querystring minus the given
parameter)

and of course i would have done the paging logic in a stored procedure
rather than repeatedly transferring piles of data about for no reason
like that idiotic "datagrid" control does

which i can show you here:

CREATE proc spTestCursorPagination
@.start int
,@.size int
as
--
declare CRS cursor scroll read_only for select recordid from junk
(tablock) order by recordid
declare @.index int
declare @.recordid int
--
create table #temp (
orderid int primary key identity
,recordid int
)
set nocount on
set @.index = 0
open CRS
--
while @.index < @.size
begin
if @.index = 0
fetch absolute @.start from CRS into @.recordid
else
fetch next from CRS into @.recordid
insert into #temp with (tablockx) (recordid) values (@.recordid)
set @.index = @.index + 1
end
--
close CRS
deallocate CRS
--
select junk.* from junk (tablock)
inner join #temp (tablock)
on junk.recordid = #temp.recordid
order by #temp.orderid
--(end)

and i didn't need to read a book to do that
i just used my brain and 20 minutes

plus if you test my solution on a db of 10,000,000
records it will run faster than his junk with 10,000
records and use much less ram and cpu and network resources

www.15seconds.com is useful but most of the articles are total tripe

welcome to the layer cake son

VB Programmer wrote:
> Can you post 10 sample lines of code to do this? Just wondering what it
> would look like from your vantage pt.
> Thanks!
> "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:1125094378.931114.81020@.z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> > http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/030812.htm?voteresult=1
> > poor guy worked his heart out, just to make a page control
> > and then they published it
> > ha ha ha ha ha
> > to "help" others
> > ha ha ha ha ha ha
> > just imagine the face of a newbie looking at that mountain of code
> > apparently he researched how to do it in books
> > my god i would love to watch this guy tie his shoelaces
> > it must take hours and involve lots of complex mathematics
> > ha ha ha ha
> > maybe the poor guy's hourly rate is so low he has to overcomplicate
> > everything just to pay the rent
> > ha ha ha ha
> > imagine him working through the night
> > "i'll make the best page control, ever!"
> > i've got it! he hates newbies ... so he publishes ridiculous
> > articles to demoralise them and drain their energy
> > doesn't tell them that a generic page control is just 10 lines
> > of code that a monkey could write HE'S EVIL
> > extract from his article:
> > "Effectively showing code so it confuses newbies is a main objective
> > in writing almost all my web articles. Showing 20 lines of code in an
> > article is unbearable but showing 10,000 certainly can be helpful.
> > Writing good code, is a commonly employed solution, that I do not
> > recommend."
re:
> "Effectively showing code so it confuses newbies is a main objective
> in writing almost all my web articles. Showing 20 lines of code in an
> article is unbearable but showing 10,000 certainly can be helpful.

Actual text in the article :
"Effectively showing data so it doesn't confuse the end user is a main
objective in developing almost all Web data presentation applications.
Showing 20 records on one page is bearable but showing 10,000
certainly can be confusing."

re:
> Writing good code, is a commonly employed solution, that I do not
> recommend."

Actual text in the article :
"Splitting the data across several pages, or paging the data,
is a commonly employed solution to this problem."

It's simply amazing that you would stoop this low, troll!
Go be a jerk somewhere else.

Juan T. Llibre
ASP.NET MVP
http://asp.net.do/foros/
Foros de ASP.NET en Espaol
Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
======================

"John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1125098009.318363.261360@.o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> with pleasure,
> this is exactly ten lines of code (exluding the function declaration
> and html stuff)
> excuse the classicasp, i had it handy
> Function PageControl(PageNumber, PageCount)
> Const PropName = "PageNumber"
> %><table width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0"
> bgcolor="#EEEEEE">
> 
> </table><%
> End Function
> (HTML is convenience function to save typing Server.HTMLEncode etc.)
> (QPX is shorthand for Server.URLEncode(name) & "+" &
> Server.URLEncode(value) & "&")
> (StripQueryString returns the given querystring minus the given
> parameter)
> and of course i would have done the paging logic in a stored procedure
> rather than repeatedly transferring piles of data about for no reason
> like that idiotic "datagrid" control does
> which i can show you here:
> CREATE proc spTestCursorPagination
> @.start int
> , @.size int
> as
> --
> declare CRS cursor scroll read_only for select recordid from junk
> (tablock) order by recordid
> declare @.index int
> declare @.recordid int
> --
> create table #temp (
> orderid int primary key identity
> , recordid int
> )
> set nocount on
> set @.index = 0
> open CRS
> --
> while @.index < @.size
> begin
> if @.index = 0
> fetch absolute @.start from CRS into @.recordid
> else
> fetch next from CRS into @.recordid
> insert into #temp with (tablockx) (recordid) values (@.recordid)
> set @.index = @.index + 1
> end
> --
> close CRS
> deallocate CRS
> --
> select junk.* from junk (tablock)
> inner join #temp (tablock)
> on junk.recordid = #temp.recordid
> order by #temp.orderid
> --(end)
>
> and i didn't need to read a book to do that
> i just used my brain and 20 minutes
> plus if you test my solution on a db of 10,000,000
> records it will run faster than his junk with 10,000
> records and use much less ram and cpu and network resources
> www.15seconds.com is useful but most of the articles are total tripe
> welcome to the layer cake son
>
>
> VB Programmer wrote:
>> Can you post 10 sample lines of code to do this? Just wondering what it
>> would look like from your vantage pt.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:1125094378.931114.81020@.z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> > http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/030812.htm?voteresult=1
>>> > poor guy worked his heart out, just to make a page control
>>> > and then they published it
>>> > ha ha ha ha ha
>>> > to "help" others
>>> > ha ha ha ha ha ha
>>> > just imagine the face of a newbie looking at that mountain of code
>>> > apparently he researched how to do it in books
>>> > my god i would love to watch this guy tie his shoelaces
>>> > it must take hours and involve lots of complex mathematics
>>> > ha ha ha ha
>>> > maybe the poor guy's hourly rate is so low he has to overcomplicate
>> > everything just to pay the rent
>>> > ha ha ha ha
>>> > imagine him working through the night
>> > "i'll make the best page control, ever!"
>>> > i've got it! he hates newbies ... so he publishes ridiculous
>> > articles to demoralise them and drain their energy
>>> > doesn't tell them that a generic page control is just 10 lines
>> > of code that a monkey could write HE'S EVIL
>>> > extract from his article:
>>> > "Effectively showing code so it confuses newbies is a main objective
>> > in writing almost all my web articles. Showing 20 lines of code in an
>> > article is unbearable but showing 10,000 certainly can be helpful.
>> > Writing good code, is a commonly employed solution, that I do not
>> > recommend."
>

I was being mean, his intentions were good, but that article should
never have been published.

And credit to me then for just showing the community a lean and high
performance approach!

You wouldn't happen to know who at Microsoft was responsible for
designing
ASPX, UserControls, HtmlControls, CustomControls and viewstate would
you?

I am sure it wasn't the same people who designed the other parts of
ASP.NET.

John Timney (ASP.NET MVP) wrote:
> If it wasn't a good article it would not have made it onto 15seconds.
> Credit to Tomasz for giving something back to the community.
> Regards
> John Timney
> ASP.NET MVP
> Microsoft Regional Director
> "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:1125094378.931114.81020@.z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> > http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/030812.htm?voteresult=1
> > poor guy worked his heart out, just to make a page control
> > and then they published it
Hey, John, do you think that the code you posted
meets the requirements for the posted code in the article ?

1. First, Previous, Next, Last and paging buttons

2. Be sensitive to the data. If the pager is set to show 10 records
per page and only nine are shown, then the pager shouldn't be visible.
On the first page the Previous and First buttons shouldn't be shown.
On the last page the Next and the Last methods shouldn't be shown.

3. Independent of the control that's in charge of the presentation

4. The ability to handle a variety of current and future data sources

5. Easily configurable presentation to integrate with custom applications

6. Notify other controls when paging is taking place

7. Easy to use even by inexperienced Web designers

8. Provide properties to relevant paging data

The code you posted doesn't even come *close* to doing that.
Go be a jerk somewhere else.

Juan T. Llibre
ASP.NET MVP
http://asp.net.do/foros/
Foros de ASP.NET en Espaol
Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
======================

"John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1125098651.896517.326090@.o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
>
> I was being mean, his intentions were good, but that article should
> never have been published.
> And credit to me then for just showing the community a lean and high
> performance approach!
> You wouldn't happen to know who at Microsoft was responsible for
> designing
> ASPX, UserControls, HtmlControls, CustomControls and viewstate would
> you?
> I am sure it wasn't the same people who designed the other parts of
> ASP.NET.
>
>
> John Timney (ASP.NET MVP) wrote:
>> If it wasn't a good article it would not have made it onto 15seconds.
>> Credit to Tomasz for giving something back to the community.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> John Timney
>> ASP.NET MVP
>> Microsoft Regional Director
>>
>> "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:1125094378.931114.81020@.z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> > http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/030812.htm?voteresult=1
>>> > poor guy worked his heart out, just to make a page control
>>> > and then they published it
>
well the article covered paging with a grid, asp.net events, the standard
process controller pattern, and is plugable into a generic application.

not a bad exercise.

-- bruce (sqlwork.com)

"John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1125094378.931114.81020@.z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/030812.htm?voteresult=1
> poor guy worked his heart out, just to make a page control
> and then they published it
> ha ha ha ha ha
> to "help" others
> ha ha ha ha ha ha
> just imagine the face of a newbie looking at that mountain of code
> apparently he researched how to do it in books
> my god i would love to watch this guy tie his shoelaces
> it must take hours and involve lots of complex mathematics
> ha ha ha ha
> maybe the poor guy's hourly rate is so low he has to overcomplicate
> everything just to pay the rent
> ha ha ha ha
> imagine him working through the night
> "i'll make the best page control, ever!"
> i've got it! he hates newbies ... so he publishes ridiculous
> articles to demoralise them and drain their energy
> doesn't tell them that a generic page control is just 10 lines
> of code that a monkey could write HE'S EVIL
> extract from his article:
> "Effectively showing code so it confuses newbies is a main objective
> in writing almost all my web articles. Showing 20 lines of code in an
> article is unbearable but showing 10,000 certainly can be helpful.
> Writing good code, is a commonly employed solution, that I do not
> recommend."
you don't solve the same problem. your code is not a generic plugin to be
used on any page. your html may be generic, but the driving code isn't, nor
was it included. in you model every page must implement the paging code.

also you demo rather bad sql. (using a server curor and a table lock - no
scaling this puppy). also to get the total page count, another query is
required.

-- bruce (sqlwork.com)

Juan T. Llibre wrote:
> Hey, John, do you think that the code you posted
> meets the requirements for the posted code in the article ?
> 1. First, Previous, Next, Last and paging buttons

oh yes mine doesn't have paging
buttons, thats an extra 3 lines then ...

> 2. Be sensitive to the data. If the pager is set to show 10 records
> per page and only nine are shown, then the pager shouldn't be visible.
> On the first page the Previous and First buttons shouldn't be shown.
> On the last page the Next and the Last methods shouldn't be shown.

read my code
it does this - it greys out the controls
it is bad ui design to have page elements appearing and disappearing

> 3. Independent of the control that's in charge of the presentation

crumbs mine is one method in an include file
that doesn't even know what the datasource is
you don't get much more independent than that

> 4. The ability to handle a variety of current and future data sources

mine can handle any datasource
as it doesn't try and overencapsulate like his junk

> 5. Easily configurable presentation to integrate with custom applications

just edit the little html fragments

> 6. Notify other controls when paging is taking place

at client: just add some javascript
at server: hell the url says "PageNumber=6"
and the referer says "PageNumber=5"
what more do you need?

> 7. Easy to use even by inexperienced Web designers

don't try and tell me his is easier to use than mine??

> 8. Provide properties to relevant paging data

don't understand this

> The code you posted doesn't even come *close* to doing that.
> Go be a jerk somewhere else.

no - you are the jerk for being so wrong

>
> Juan T. Llibre
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://asp.net.do/foros/
> Foros de ASP.NET en Espaol
> Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
> ======================
> "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:1125098651.896517.326090@.o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> > I was being mean, his intentions were good, but that article should
> > never have been published.
> > And credit to me then for just showing the community a lean and high
> > performance approach!
> > You wouldn't happen to know who at Microsoft was responsible for
> > designing
> > ASPX, UserControls, HtmlControls, CustomControls and viewstate would
> > you?
> > I am sure it wasn't the same people who designed the other parts of
> > ASP.NET.
> > John Timney (ASP.NET MVP) wrote:
> >> If it wasn't a good article it would not have made it onto 15seconds.
> >> Credit to Tomasz for giving something back to the community.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> John Timney
> >> ASP.NET MVP
> >> Microsoft Regional Director
> >>
> >> "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1125094378.931114.81020@.z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> >> > http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/030812.htm?voteresult=1
> >> >> > poor guy worked his heart out, just to make a page control
> >> >> > and then they published it
> >
Your reply is composed of :

"Oh, yeah, add this or add that" and "don't understand this".

You made my case better than I did.

Go ahead and submit your "improvements" to 15Seconds, OK ?
And let us know when the article is published.

Bye!

Juan T. Llibre
ASP.NET MVP
http://asp.net.do/foros/
Foros de ASP.NET en Espaol
Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
======================

"John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1125124776.832265.145940@.g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> 1. First, Previous, Next, Last and paging buttons

oh yes mine doesn't have paging
buttons, thats an extra 3 lines then ...

read my code
it does this - it greys out the controls
it is bad ui design to have page elements appearing and disappearing

> 3. Independent of the control that's in charge of the presentation

crumbs mine is one method in an include file
that doesn't even know what the datasource is
you don't get much more independent than that

> 4. The ability to handle a variety of current and future data sources

mine can handle any datasource
as it doesn't try and overencapsulate like his junk

> 5. Easily configurable presentation to integrate with custom applications

just edit the little html fragments

> 6. Notify other controls when paging is taking place

at client: just add some javascript
at server: hell the url says "PageNumber=6"
and the referer says "PageNumber=5"
what more do you need?

> 7. Easy to use even by inexperienced Web designers

don't try and tell me his is easier to use than mine??

> 8. Provide properties to relevant paging data

don't understand this

> The code you posted doesn't even come *close* to doing that.
> Go be a jerk somewhere else.

no - you are the jerk for being so wrong

In which I case I recommend you live
by your words and use his "technique"

At least I have the courage to show my
technique, let's all have a look at yours ...

Show us all your paging control code.

Juan T. Llibre wrote:
> Your reply is composed of :
> "Oh, yeah, add this or add that" and "don't understand this".
> You made my case better than I did.
> Go ahead and submit your "improvements" to 15Seconds, OK ?
> And let us know when the article is published.
> Bye!
>
> Juan T. Llibre
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://asp.net.do/foros/
> Foros de ASP.NET en Espaol
> Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
> ======================
> "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:1125124776.832265.145940@.g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > 1. First, Previous, Next, Last and paging buttons
>
> oh yes mine doesn't have paging
> buttons, thats an extra 3 lines then ...
>
> > 2. Be sensitive to the data. If the pager is set to show 10 records
> > per page and only nine are shown, then the pager shouldn't be visible.
> > On the first page the Previous and First buttons shouldn't be shown.
> > On the last page the Next and the Last methods shouldn't be shown.
> read my code
> it does this - it greys out the controls
> it is bad ui design to have page elements appearing and disappearing
>
> > 3. Independent of the control that's in charge of the presentation
>
> crumbs mine is one method in an include file
> that doesn't even know what the datasource is
> you don't get much more independent than that
> > 4. The ability to handle a variety of current and future data sources
> mine can handle any datasource
> as it doesn't try and overencapsulate like his junk
>
> > 5. Easily configurable presentation to integrate with custom applications
>
> just edit the little html fragments
>
> > 6. Notify other controls when paging is taking place
>
> at client: just add some javascript
> at server: hell the url says "PageNumber=6"
> and the referer says "PageNumber=5"
> what more do you need?
>
> > 7. Easy to use even by inexperienced Web designers
>
> don't try and tell me his is easier to use than mine??
>
> > 8. Provide properties to relevant paging data
>
> don't understand this
>
> > The code you posted doesn't even come *close* to doing that.
> > Go be a jerk somewhere else.
>
> no - you are the jerk for being so wrong
>
> > Juan T. Llibre
> > ASP.NET MVP
> > http://asp.net.do/foros/
> > Foros de ASP.NET en Espaol
> > Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
> > ======================
> > "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:1125098651.896517.326090@.o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > I was being mean, his intentions were good, but that article should
> > > never have been published.
> > > > And credit to me then for just showing the community a lean and high
> > > performance approach!
> > > > You wouldn't happen to know who at Microsoft was responsible for
> > > designing
> > > ASPX, UserControls, HtmlControls, CustomControls and viewstate would
> > > you?
> > > > I am sure it wasn't the same people who designed the other parts of
> > > ASP.NET.
> > > > > > > > John Timney (ASP.NET MVP) wrote:
> > >> If it wasn't a good article it would not have made it onto 15seconds.
> > >> Credit to Tomasz for giving something back to the community.
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >>
> > >> John Timney
> > >> ASP.NET MVP
> > >> Microsoft Regional Director
> > >>
> > >> "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:1125094378.931114.81020@.z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> > >> > http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/030812.htm?voteresult=1
> > >> > >> > poor guy worked his heart out, just to make a page control
> > >> > >> > and then they published it
> > >>

oh yes,

furthermore my approach also supports
ragged paging which you need when
displaying datasheets with grouping
headers

whereas his is hardcoded to a static
pagesize

looking forward to seeing your work, juan *-)

John Rivers wrote:
> So your final position on this
> is that article shows a reasonable
> way to implement a paging control?
> In which I case I recommend you live
> by your words and use his "technique"
> At least I have the courage to show my
> technique, let's all have a look at yours ...
> Show us all your paging control code.
>
> Juan T. Llibre wrote:
> > Your reply is composed of :
> > "Oh, yeah, add this or add that" and "don't understand this".
> > You made my case better than I did.
> > Go ahead and submit your "improvements" to 15Seconds, OK ?
> > And let us know when the article is published.
> > Bye!
> > Juan T. Llibre
> > ASP.NET MVP
> > http://asp.net.do/foros/
> > Foros de ASP.NET en Espaol
> > Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
> > ======================
> > "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:1125124776.832265.145940@.g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > 1. First, Previous, Next, Last and paging buttons
> > oh yes mine doesn't have paging
> > buttons, thats an extra 3 lines then ...
> > > 2. Be sensitive to the data. If the pager is set to show 10 records
> > > per page and only nine are shown, then the pager shouldn't be visible.
> > > On the first page the Previous and First buttons shouldn't be shown.
> > > On the last page the Next and the Last methods shouldn't be shown.
> > read my code
> > it does this - it greys out the controls
> > it is bad ui design to have page elements appearing and disappearing
> > > > 3. Independent of the control that's in charge of the presentation
> > crumbs mine is one method in an include file
> > that doesn't even know what the datasource is
> > you don't get much more independent than that
> > > > 4. The ability to handle a variety of current and future data sources
> > mine can handle any datasource
> > as it doesn't try and overencapsulate like his junk
> > > > 5. Easily configurable presentation to integrate with custom applications
> > just edit the little html fragments
> > > > 6. Notify other controls when paging is taking place
> > at client: just add some javascript
> > at server: hell the url says "PageNumber=6"
> > and the referer says "PageNumber=5"
> > what more do you need?
> > > > 7. Easy to use even by inexperienced Web designers
> > don't try and tell me his is easier to use than mine??
> > > > 8. Provide properties to relevant paging data
> > don't understand this
> > > > The code you posted doesn't even come *close* to doing that.
> > > Go be a jerk somewhere else.
> > no - you are the jerk for being so wrong
> > > > > > Juan T. Llibre
> > > ASP.NET MVP
> > > http://asp.net.do/foros/
> > > Foros de ASP.NET en Espaol
> > > Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
> > > ======================
> > > > "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1125098651.896517.326090@.o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > > > > > I was being mean, his intentions were good, but that article should
> > > > never have been published.
> > > > > > And credit to me then for just showing the community a lean and high
> > > > performance approach!
> > > > > > You wouldn't happen to know who at Microsoft was responsible for
> > > > designing
> > > > ASPX, UserControls, HtmlControls, CustomControls and viewstate would
> > > > you?
> > > > > > I am sure it wasn't the same people who designed the other parts of
> > > > ASP.NET.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Timney (ASP.NET MVP) wrote:
> > > >> If it wasn't a good article it would not have made it onto 15seconds.
> > > >> Credit to Tomasz for giving something back to the community.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards
> > > >>
> > > >> John Timney
> > > >> ASP.NET MVP
> > > >> Microsoft Regional Director
> > > >>
> > > >> "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > >> news:1125094378.931114.81020@.z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> > > >> > http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/030812.htm?voteresult=1
> > > >> > > >> > poor guy worked his heart out, just to make a page control
> > > >> > > >> > and then they published it
> > > >> >
John,

I hope you realize that you are alone in your opinions, especially those of
your own skill/intellgence. It pains me to see you making a public fool of
yourself in this way. I really feel for you, as when you plan to make a
living doing programming, it will be nearly impossible as long as these
public remarks continue to float around the Internet. You will be older and
wiser, but your reputation will precede you everywhere you go. It is not
possible to remove published messages from the Internet. Your only hope will
be to outlast them.

So, if you are truly desirous of becoming a professional developer, PLEASE
do yourself a favor and stop publishing your foolish opinions now. In
another 5 years they will have faded into obscurity, and perhaps you will be
more knowledgeable and hirable.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Paranoia is just a state of mind.

"John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1125151557.475499.40940@.g43g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

oh yes,

furthermore my approach also supports
ragged paging which you need when
displaying datasheets with grouping
headers

whereas his is hardcoded to a static
pagesize

looking forward to seeing your work, juan *-)

John Rivers wrote:
> So your final position on this
> is that article shows a reasonable
> way to implement a paging control?
> In which I case I recommend you live
> by your words and use his "technique"
> At least I have the courage to show my
> technique, let's all have a look at yours ...
> Show us all your paging control code.
>
> Juan T. Llibre wrote:
> > Your reply is composed of :
> > "Oh, yeah, add this or add that" and "don't understand this".
> > You made my case better than I did.
> > Go ahead and submit your "improvements" to 15Seconds, OK ?
> > And let us know when the article is published.
> > Bye!
> > Juan T. Llibre
> > ASP.NET MVP
> > http://asp.net.do/foros/
> > Foros de ASP.NET en Espaol
> > Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
> > ======================
> > "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:1125124776.832265.145940@.g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > 1. First, Previous, Next, Last and paging buttons
> > oh yes mine doesn't have paging
> > buttons, thats an extra 3 lines then ...
> > > 2. Be sensitive to the data. If the pager is set to show 10 records
> > > per page and only nine are shown, then the pager shouldn't be visible.
> > > On the first page the Previous and First buttons shouldn't be shown.
> > > On the last page the Next and the Last methods shouldn't be shown.
> > read my code
> > it does this - it greys out the controls
> > it is bad ui design to have page elements appearing and disappearing
> > > > 3. Independent of the control that's in charge of the presentation
> > crumbs mine is one method in an include file
> > that doesn't even know what the datasource is
> > you don't get much more independent than that
> > > > 4. The ability to handle a variety of current and future data sources
> > mine can handle any datasource
> > as it doesn't try and overencapsulate like his junk
> > > > 5. Easily configurable presentation to integrate with custom
> > > applications
> > just edit the little html fragments
> > > > 6. Notify other controls when paging is taking place
> > at client: just add some javascript
> > at server: hell the url says "PageNumber=6"
> > and the referer says "PageNumber=5"
> > what more do you need?
> > > > 7. Easy to use even by inexperienced Web designers
> > don't try and tell me his is easier to use than mine??
> > > > 8. Provide properties to relevant paging data
> > don't understand this
> > > > The code you posted doesn't even come *close* to doing that.
> > > Go be a jerk somewhere else.
> > no - you are the jerk for being so wrong
> > > > > > Juan T. Llibre
> > > ASP.NET MVP
> > > http://asp.net.do/foros/
> > > Foros de ASP.NET en Espaol
> > > Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
> > > ======================
> > > > "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1125098651.896517.326090@.o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > > > > > I was being mean, his intentions were good, but that article should
> > > > never have been published.
> > > > > > And credit to me then for just showing the community a lean and high
> > > > performance approach!
> > > > > > You wouldn't happen to know who at Microsoft was responsible for
> > > > designing
> > > > ASPX, UserControls, HtmlControls, CustomControls and viewstate would
> > > > you?
> > > > > > I am sure it wasn't the same people who designed the other parts of
> > > > ASP.NET.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Timney (ASP.NET MVP) wrote:
> > > >> If it wasn't a good article it would not have made it onto
> > > >> 15seconds.
> > > >> Credit to Tomasz for giving something back to the community.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards
> > > >>
> > > >> John Timney
> > > >> ASP.NET MVP
> > > >> Microsoft Regional Director
> > > >>
> > > >> "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > >> news:1125094378.931114.81020@.z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> > > >> > http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/030812.htm?voteresult=1
> > > >> > > >> > poor guy worked his heart out, just to make a page control
> > > >> > > >> > and then they published it
> > > >> >

Thankyou for your concern,

But I have been programming for 24 years,
I have been a professional system architect
for 10 years, run a computer science research
department at a top university and built, run
and sold 3 .coms.

Why am I wasting time arguing on this newsgroup?

There is a real reason, I am trying to determine
whether microsoft's latest approach to dumbing down
the development process can work, is it possible
to use almost anybody to write enterprise class code?

As opposed to expensive skilled professionals who know
what they are doing.

What is happening in VS.NET is very interesting,
there is a feedback loop whereby the ignorance of today's
average web developer feedsback in to the architecture, ensuring
they stay in their "comfort zone".

It is all about understanding what you guys are capable of
handling conceptually and making sure not to exceed that.

Then providing infrastructure solutions to solve the problems
that the inefficient code that results causes.

Its the classic monkeys and typewriter idea made real.

BTW
Just because lots of stupid people agree with each
other doesn't mean they're right.

If I were you kevin i'd start learning to think for yourself, not
just running with the herd like a silly cow.

And Juan, where is your paging control code???
"Classes and methods may prove me wrong but killfiles will never hurt
me"
If you do a good job I will admit it publicly, and even apologise.
Come on, beat me!

Kevin Spencer wrote:
> John,
> I hope you realize that you are alone in your opinions, especially those of
> your own skill/intellgence. It pains me to see you making a public fool of
> yourself in this way. I really feel for you, as when you plan to make a
> living doing programming, it will be nearly impossible as long as these
> public remarks continue to float around the Internet. You will be older and
> wiser, but your reputation will precede you everywhere you go. It is not
> possible to remove published messages from the Internet. Your only hope will
> be to outlast them.
> So, if you are truly desirous of becoming a professional developer, PLEASE
> do yourself a favor and stop publishing your foolish opinions now. In
> another 5 years they will have faded into obscurity, and perhaps you willbe
> more knowledgeable and hirable.
> --
> HTH,
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft MVP
> .Net Developer
> Paranoia is just a state of mind.
> "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:1125151557.475499.40940@.g43g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> oh yes,
> furthermore my approach also supports
> ragged paging which you need when
> displaying datasheets with grouping
> headers
> whereas his is hardcoded to a static
> pagesize
> looking forward to seeing your work, juan *-)
>
>
> John Rivers wrote:
> > So your final position on this
> > is that article shows a reasonable
> > way to implement a paging control?
> > In which I case I recommend you live
> > by your words and use his "technique"
> > At least I have the courage to show my
> > technique, let's all have a look at yours ...
> > Show us all your paging control code.
> > Juan T. Llibre wrote:
> > > Your reply is composed of :
> > > > "Oh, yeah, add this or add that" and "don't understand this".
> > > > You made my case better than I did.
> > > > Go ahead and submit your "improvements" to 15Seconds, OK ?
> > > And let us know when the article is published.
> > > > Bye!
> > > > > > Juan T. Llibre
> > > ASP.NET MVP
> > > http://asp.net.do/foros/
> > > Foros de ASP.NET en Espaol
> > > Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
> > > ======================
> > > > "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1125124776.832265.145940@.g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > 1. First, Previous, Next, Last and paging buttons
> > > > > oh yes mine doesn't have paging
> > > buttons, thats an extra 3 lines then ...
> > > > > > 2. Be sensitive to the data. If the pager is set to show 10 records
> > > > per page and only nine are shown, then the pager shouldn't be visible.
> > > > On the first page the Previous and First buttons shouldn't be shown.
> > > > On the last page the Next and the Last methods shouldn't be shown.
> > > > read my code
> > > it does this - it greys out the controls
> > > it is bad ui design to have page elements appearing and disappearing
> > > > > > > > 3. Independent of the control that's in charge of the presentation
> > > > > crumbs mine is one method in an include file
> > > that doesn't even know what the datasource is
> > > you don't get much more independent than that
> > > > > > > 4. The ability to handle a variety of current and future data sources
> > > > mine can handle any datasource
> > > as it doesn't try and overencapsulate like his junk
> > > > > > > > 5. Easily configurable presentation to integrate with custom
> > > > applications
> > > > > just edit the little html fragments
> > > > > > > > 6. Notify other controls when paging is taking place
> > > > > at client: just add some javascript
> > > at server: hell the url says "PageNumber=6"
> > > and the referer says "PageNumber=5"
> > > what more do you need?
> > > > > > > > 7. Easy to use even by inexperienced Web designers
> > > > > don't try and tell me his is easier to use than mine??
> > > > > > > > 8. Provide properties to relevant paging data
> > > > > don't understand this
> > > > > > > > The code you posted doesn't even come *close* to doing that.
> > > > Go be a jerk somewhere else.
> > > > > no - you are the jerk for being so wrong
> > > > > > > > > > > > Juan T. Llibre
> > > > ASP.NET MVP
> > > > http://asp.net.do/foros/
> > > > Foros de ASP.NET en Espaol
> > > > Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
> > > > ======================
> > > > > > "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1125098651.896517.326090@.o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was being mean, his intentions were good, but that article should
> > > > > never have been published.
> > > > > > > > And credit to me then for just showing the community a lean and high
> > > > > performance approach!
> > > > > > > > You wouldn't happen to know who at Microsoft was responsible for
> > > > > designing
> > > > > ASPX, UserControls, HtmlControls, CustomControls and viewstate would
> > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > I am sure it wasn't the same people who designed the other parts of
> > > > > ASP.NET.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Timney (ASP.NET MVP) wrote:
> > > > >> If it wasn't a good article it would not have made it onto
> > > > >> 15seconds.
> > > > >> Credit to Tomasz for giving something back to the community.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Regards
> > > > >>
> > > > >> John Timney
> > > > >> ASP.NET MVP
> > > > >> Microsoft Regional Director
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:1125094378.931114.81020@.z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > >> > http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/030812.htm?voteresult=1
> > > > >> > > > >> > poor guy worked his heart out, just to make a page control
> > > > >> > > > >> > and then they published it
> > > > >> > >
> But I have been programming for 24 years,
> I have been a professional system architect
> for 10 years, run a computer science research
> department at a top university and built, run
> and sold 3 .coms.

Sorry John, but I'm just not buying it. Anyone can say anythiing they like.
It doesn't make it true. How about telling us WHERE you have been a
"professional system architect" (company name, web address, etc)? WHAT "top
university" have you "run a computer scientce research department" at
(University name, web address, etc)?

Your speech syntax, grammar, and egocentrism puts you at somewhere between
the ages of 15 and 25 (I would guess closer to 15). The fact that you are
non-specific about your qualifications implies that you have something to
hide. And your ignorance of object-oriented programming technology indicates
that yoou know almost nothing about real-world object-oriented programming.

Finally, only a teenager (or someone with a pathological case of arrested
development) would be so foolish as to jeopardize their professional future
with such a proliferation of ignorant and insulting postings on a
widely-read public newsgroup, as teenagers don't understand that they will
have to live in the future with the consequences of their present actions.
Teenagers have parents to take care of them, and don't realize that at some
point they will have to do all the work for themselves and for their own
children, including paying bills, and raising a family. Teenagers don't
realize that eventually your parents die, and you have nobody to fall back
on but yourself.

You have demonstrated precisely none of the behavioral and/or linguistic
characteristics of an adult, much less a professional adult, much less a
science professor. And with no other evidence to rely on, I find you guilty
of lying.

By doing so, you are only hurting yourself, the future you, the only you
that you will ever become. And this grieves me, because I was once as young
and stupid as you are. I wish I had listened when I should have. It took a
lot of years to dig my way back out.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
If the truth hurts, wear it.

"John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1125337038.952924.14590@.g44g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

Thankyou for your concern,

But I have been programming for 24 years,
I have been a professional system architect
for 10 years, run a computer science research
department at a top university and built, run
and sold 3 .coms.

Why am I wasting time arguing on this newsgroup?

As opposed to expensive skilled professionals who know
what they are doing.

It is all about understanding what you guys are capable of
handling conceptually and making sure not to exceed that.

Then providing infrastructure solutions to solve the problems
that the inefficient code that results causes.

Its the classic monkeys and typewriter idea made real.

BTW
Just because lots of stupid people agree with each
other doesn't mean they're right.

If I were you kevin i'd start learning to think for yourself, not
just running with the herd like a silly cow.

Kevin Spencer wrote:
> John,
> I hope you realize that you are alone in your opinions, especially those
> of
> your own skill/intellgence. It pains me to see you making a public fool of
> yourself in this way. I really feel for you, as when you plan to make a
> living doing programming, it will be nearly impossible as long as these
> public remarks continue to float around the Internet. You will be older
> and
> wiser, but your reputation will precede you everywhere you go. It is not
> possible to remove published messages from the Internet. Your only hope
> will
> be to outlast them.
> So, if you are truly desirous of becoming a professional developer, PLEASE
> do yourself a favor and stop publishing your foolish opinions now. In
> another 5 years they will have faded into obscurity, and perhaps you will
> be
> more knowledgeable and hirable.
> --
> HTH,
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft MVP
> .Net Developer
> Paranoia is just a state of mind.
> "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:1125151557.475499.40940@.g43g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> oh yes,
> furthermore my approach also supports
> ragged paging which you need when
> displaying datasheets with grouping
> headers
> whereas his is hardcoded to a static
> pagesize
> looking forward to seeing your work, juan *-)
>
>
> John Rivers wrote:
> > So your final position on this
> > is that article shows a reasonable
> > way to implement a paging control?
> > In which I case I recommend you live
> > by your words and use his "technique"
> > At least I have the courage to show my
> > technique, let's all have a look at yours ...
> > Show us all your paging control code.
> > Juan T. Llibre wrote:
> > > Your reply is composed of :
> > > > "Oh, yeah, add this or add that" and "don't understand this".
> > > > You made my case better than I did.
> > > > Go ahead and submit your "improvements" to 15Seconds, OK ?
> > > And let us know when the article is published.
> > > > Bye!
> > > > > > Juan T. Llibre
> > > ASP.NET MVP
> > > http://asp.net.do/foros/
> > > Foros de ASP.NET en Espaol
> > > Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
> > > ======================
> > > > "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1125124776.832265.145940@.g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > 1. First, Previous, Next, Last and paging buttons
> > > > > oh yes mine doesn't have paging
> > > buttons, thats an extra 3 lines then ...
> > > > > > 2. Be sensitive to the data. If the pager is set to show 10 records
> > > > per page and only nine are shown, then the pager shouldn't be
> > > > visible.
> > > > On the first page the Previous and First buttons shouldn't be shown.
> > > > On the last page the Next and the Last methods shouldn't be shown.
> > > > read my code
> > > it does this - it greys out the controls
> > > it is bad ui design to have page elements appearing and disappearing
> > > > > > > > 3. Independent of the control that's in charge of the presentation
> > > > > crumbs mine is one method in an include file
> > > that doesn't even know what the datasource is
> > > you don't get much more independent than that
> > > > > > > 4. The ability to handle a variety of current and future data
> > > > sources
> > > > mine can handle any datasource
> > > as it doesn't try and overencapsulate like his junk
> > > > > > > > 5. Easily configurable presentation to integrate with custom
> > > > applications
> > > > > just edit the little html fragments
> > > > > > > > 6. Notify other controls when paging is taking place
> > > > > at client: just add some javascript
> > > at server: hell the url says "PageNumber=6"
> > > and the referer says "PageNumber=5"
> > > what more do you need?
> > > > > > > > 7. Easy to use even by inexperienced Web designers
> > > > > don't try and tell me his is easier to use than mine??
> > > > > > > > 8. Provide properties to relevant paging data
> > > > > don't understand this
> > > > > > > > The code you posted doesn't even come *close* to doing that.
> > > > Go be a jerk somewhere else.
> > > > > no - you are the jerk for being so wrong
> > > > > > > > > > > > Juan T. Llibre
> > > > ASP.NET MVP
> > > > http://asp.net.do/foros/
> > > > Foros de ASP.NET en Espaol
> > > > Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
> > > > ======================
> > > > > > "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1125098651.896517.326090@.o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was being mean, his intentions were good, but that article
> > > > > should
> > > > > never have been published.
> > > > > > > > And credit to me then for just showing the community a lean and
> > > > > high
> > > > > performance approach!
> > > > > > > > You wouldn't happen to know who at Microsoft was responsible for
> > > > > designing
> > > > > ASPX, UserControls, HtmlControls, CustomControls and viewstate
> > > > > would
> > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > I am sure it wasn't the same people who designed the other parts
> > > > > of
> > > > > ASP.NET.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Timney (ASP.NET MVP) wrote:
> > > > >> If it wasn't a good article it would not have made it onto
> > > > >> 15seconds.
> > > > >> Credit to Tomasz for giving something back to the community.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Regards
> > > > >>
> > > > >> John Timney
> > > > >> ASP.NET MVP
> > > > >> Microsoft Regional Director
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "John Rivers" <first10@.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:1125094378.931114.81020@.z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > >> > http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/030812.htm?voteresult=1
> > > > >> > > > >> > poor guy worked his heart out, just to make a page control
> > > > >> > > > >> > and then they published it
> > > > >> > >

Monday, March 26, 2012

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